Socionics & MBTI

Interview with Dr. Gregory Reinin

 

Psychologist, PhD in Psychology, the Doctor of Philosophy in the field of psychology, the Doctor of philosophy in area Socionics, member of International typological Association. Author of several books and training: “Socionics typology. Small groups”;”Songs of the lotus”

Gregory Reinin proposed the mathematical existence of 11 derivative dichotomies describing the same 16 types in addition to the 4 basic ones.

(Gregory is currently on Sri-Lanka having very slow internet connection, so he asked to record the audio call instead of video conversation)

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This interview intended to investigate causalities on health due to relationship interaction under the perspective of Socionics.

(Interview conducted by Anna Roman)

Interviewer:

Gregory, good afternoon! Thank you very much that you agreed talk and give us an interview. Let’s try to record the audio conversation, is case Internet connection will be lost, we’ll try again later, ok?

GR:

Yes, I agree. If I’m not mistaken, you have some questions regarding Socionics, right?

Interviewer:

Socionics, exactly. I have some questions for the Socionics researchers in Brazil, who have been interested in your professional knowledge. First we wanted to make the 3-side conversation, but in order to save our common time, I am going to translate your answers into English and provide for this research.

GR:

I can’t hear you very well

(Internet connection was lost, reconnection)

Interviewer:

Could you tell a little about your story with Socionics?

GR:

That happened by accident in 1981, maybe in 1982 I dropped upon the work of Aušra (Aušra Augustinavičiūtė) “Theory of Interpersonal Relations” and found out interesting topics to investigate. When we started to work together, I realized that there are some ‘blank spaces’ to examine in her works and we decided to explore them together.

Interviewer:

Why Socionics promotes better social interaction, in your opinion?

GR:

Socionics describes the relations between 16 types very well, and as a result it appears to be a solid instrument for psychoanalysis, and moreover those socionic effects are mostly shown in the uncomfortable, extreme situations, like professional networking or family life, even an expedition. In those cases, the effects appear at their best and could be used to analyze how to improve relations and organize the teams better. Socionics has a lot of functions and can be useful in different areas, where it helps to orientate: analysis of conflictogenic situations in the collective body, formation of the team according to the specific problem or aim.

Interviewer:

I see, thank you. And how bad relationships or a bad social environment could be harmful to one’s health, do you consider that connection true? How does the knowledge of Socionics help on that?

GR:

Definitely. There is such thing – psychosomatics, when the problem that arises on the psychological basis can affect the body and health, even more if the problem is not being solved for a long time. In that case different strong psychosomatic effects happen and be harmful for the health.

Interviewer:

Yes, I see. And in your works there is a lot of information about the Bouquet groups, could you please tell how those groups were discovered? Was it the result of various experiments? If so, how those experiments were conducted? Could you tell how is this concept applied nowadays?

GR:

Do you mean the theory taken from my book “Mystery of types”? Yes, I’d love to tell about it. In the beginning of the 90s there was a collaborative work with the Medical Academy (St. Petersburg I. I. Mechnikov State Medical Academy) and one rehabilitation hospital, our aim was to find out how different types go through an illness, how do they suffer and how they cure. We discovered that it is possible to consolidate people in the groups according to these parameters. We came to the idea that hospital accomplish two functions: hospital (cure & therapy) and hotel (people are also living there for a while), so the experimental idea was to make them cure in the groups created according to their illnesses, but live in the groups created in compliance with their socionic types in order to make most comfortable living conditions. The results of those experiment were very good, what was proved by Chief Physician. But this experiment didn’t last long. To sum up, we observed those positive results in 2 hospitals, it was documented and described in my works.

Interviewer:

You mean Bouquet and Health groups, right?

GR:

Exactly, small groups – 4 types.

Interviewer:

I see, and what data did you receive? What was brought to light in this experiment?

GR:

Oh so much time passed, frankly speaking now I don’t remember the details, the main thing that we discovered were those 4 groups of course (ESFP + ESTP + ENTP + ENFP) (ISFP + ISTP + INTP + INFP) (ENTJ + ESTJ + ENFJ + ESFJ) (INTJ + ISTJ + INFJ + ISFJ) – these groups have their own spectrum of illnesses, which exactly I can’t say right now, but when they live together they aggravate and dramatize them. And if they are divided to live in other more comfortable groups, the results would be positive and better.

Interviewer:

So in the framework of those experiments you mixed up the types to see the better matches, right?

GR:

Yes, we combined them in accordance with their socionic types and groups instead of their diagnostics for people to live in comfort groups, to study in comfort groups, etc.

Interviewer:

Did they cure better and faster?

GR:

Yes, we had this result. Unfortunately, we were not able to finish those experiments, as the administration of the hospital had been changed. Well so that was out attendance and examination, the knowledge regarding the Bouquet groups was received in that experimental way. Out hypothesis was confirmed.

Interviewer:

Do you think we need the 4 types to achieve those positive effects? To achieve the perfect interpersonal atmosphere inside the group?

GR:

Perfect by which parameter?

Interviewer:

I mean the most comfortable relations. Do we need all the 4 types?

GR:

In quadra?

Interviewer:

Yes.

GR:

To tell the truth I don’t think it’s possible to create the perfect group even with 4 types, it’s likely impossible to build the perfect relations. But quadra differs from the other groups in the point that people “speak the same language”, it’s easier for them to understand the reasons of the conflict inside of their quadra, moreover they can solve it easily. In other groups it’s not usually like that, as types speak “different languages”, being on a different wavelength. But still I don’t believe in the perfect relations… Maybe in any scientific abstracts or theories

Interviewer:

Yes, I agree. By the way are there people occupying not one but several groups?

GR:

Of course! One type can relate to different groups, definitely. For example, ENTP refers to many groups. If you want, you can read in my book, I told about it more in detail.

Interviewer:

Are there data on how much can Socionics affects vital signs, such as heartbeating, sweating etc.? Maybe it was shown in any experiments maybe in hospitals? I mean any particular interpersonal relations between different types, how do they affect the vital signs?

GR:

Not only in hospitals, we conducted such experiments with people whose socionic types had been already professionally tested. We created quadras and examined peoples’ wellbeing and mood, also they were put inside the “Control ring” (* Control (Audit) Ring – a small group, consisting of four sociotypes associated with each other for audit. Interaction within the group is characterized by mutual suspicion and chicanery).

We saw critical conditions up to headaches and demands to stop the experiment. So such observations shown that sometimes that Control Ring may happen in the business team, for example, so then people can not cooperate and stand each other at all, even if they are great professionals and experts. But still that was not a rigorous professional experiment, that was done by enthusiasts, as we didn’t have the opportunity to conduct the exact rigorous experiment with with verifiable results and statistics, that always needs financial support.

Interviewer:

So any amplitudinous experiments on that matter had been never done?

GR:

Widespread and serious – no, never. We just observed and examined different effects, which were confirmed and clearly shown. No more than that, I’ve never heard of any scientific vast experiments.

 

Interviewer:

As far as I know, your experiments were far the most significant and serious, am I right?

Since your experiments, were there any more research done?

GR:

You are right, such experiments were never done afterwards. After there were lots of discussions mostly. There are lots of theoretical information even online, everywhere you may find some theories, discussions, thoughts regarding Socionics.

Interviewer:

Exactly, lots of theories, but not that much practical information based on real-life experience.

GR:

Yes, lot’s of unconfirmed, unverified theories, based on nothing.

Interviewer:

Are there reported data of how DUAL or CONFLICT interactions affect a persons’ overall outlook? Like, vital signs?

GR:

Outlook? Well, same as the critical mental condition or excellent mental wellbeing may affect the persons’ outlook, I assume in case of dual or conflict interactions it’s possible. As for vital signs… I don’t think do, I’m afraid we don’t have such. But the connection definitely exists.

Interviewer:

Like on the mental health itself, right?

GR:

Of course, these things belong to the same sphere.

Interviewer:

Yes, I have already taken one interview with Kirill Kravchenko, he told me that conflict interactions could even cause several pathologies. Do you agree?

GR:

I agree. If any hard and serious conflict is taking place and lasts long, then any psychosomatic problems appear. Suffering personality throws all the problems like garbage to the body, can you imagine? Then the person becomes sick.

Interviewer:

Ok, well, I see. And what can you say about the visual identification of types? What does the academia and researches say about visual identification? Have you found any particular signs (markers); what have you found out during your research time?

GR:

There is a plenty of these markers in the works of different authors, I can’t say offhand right now, there were special researches on that case (for example, ESTP has prominent cheek-bones and manner of walking, INFJ is usually humpbacked a little bit, generally speaking, there are lots of examined supervisions of the visual signs of types. (*Vitor, I have found an interesting Russian source with full description of visual identification, made by Gulenko, if you want, I will translate it and send to you, too, just let me know).

In olden times, Aušra Augustinavičiūtė prepared the special album: she collected 20-30 characters for each type. Looking at those album, anyone could easily see and understand the markers: physiognomy, countenance, glance, face features; so then the types’ signs were evident.

This album was used to teach the experts.

Interviewer:

Are these signs always reliable? Is the visual identification tricky? Could the signs be improper/false? Maybe person has just humped once?

GR:

No no, of course you can never identify with 100% assurance. One should always check the other attributes: behavior, tests, but please note that there is no perfect and 100% reliable socio-test for the identification.

Interviewer:

Yes, I have heard that. Consequently, the best identification way is professional diagnostics?

GR:

Exactly, for now only professional diagnostics, unfortunately. Well, technically I know how this test should be done, but this is a broad time-consuming laborious work, requiring cooperation with big amount of experts. If I agree to do it one day, that would be only in case of fare financing, because personally I don’t need that, and when Socionics become popular and people will need it – then I would be glad to work.

Interviewer:

And why, in your opinion, Socionics is not so popular in nowadays world? I know that Socionics is still officially unrecognized science, which nevertheless generates a lot of interest.

GR:

Well, it’s a very practical science with the most important ability to analyze interpersonal relations, which no other officially recognized psychological typology is able to provide. Ability to analyse personal types and interpersonal relations – that was a great step Aušra Augustinavičiūtė made, in comparison with other typologies. The next significant step was the typology of small groups that we discussed before, nobody has made any research before me us on that matter. And the fact, that it is not officially recognized science is the result of discreditation and lack of professional use. If you want I have the link with information about the benefits and harm of Socionics (Gregory has sent this link to me, if you want I can translate the information there for you too)

Interviewer:

Yes, of course, thank you.

GR:

I’m sending you the link via Skype. You can read about the harmful effect that Socionics may cause. Personality can not be absolutized, as it has lots of dimensions and aspects. Typology is only one of them, you can not absolutize it. The whole psychology must not be narrowed down to typology. It’s absurdity.

Interviewer:

What do you think, is there any way to spread this science in the right way throughout the world? Make it more popular and useful?

GR:

Well I don’t know, it depends on the interest of serious people, scientists.

I can tell you one interesting thing that I experienced, once I was working in the Y. A. Gagarin Cosmonaut Training Centre, and suddenly I saw my book on the directors’ table, “Mystery of Type”, I noticed that the book is quite old and evidently being used for a long time. I asked: “How come, officially Socionics is not recognized by scientists…” He noted: “Well, scientists may not recognize it, they will probably think about it another 20 years, nevertheless, we see the results, we see that it really works, so we use it”, you know..

Interviewer:

Yes, I have already heard it, Viktor Prokofiev told me the same story

GR:

Exactly, we were together in this Centre that day.

Interviewer:

You see, these people are practicians, they look for the things that really work. If Socionics is officially recognized, or unrecognized, it doesn’t matter for them, they don’t care. If they see the instrument that works – they use it, because they have a real problem with bad communication of people. And how much time will scientists thinks and decide to recognize Socionics, for me it doesn’t matter, too. Maybe the reason is lack of really scientific experiments, everything we have is just investigation and observation.

Interviewer:

Maybe you can denominate the most significant experiments?

GR:

For me the most significant one was the one we conducted with Aušra Augustinavičiūtė in her residence, it has the most important and very significant to me. We investigated the attributes of personality types, which first appeared on paper, I wrote about them, made a table, and then we examined the psychological compatibility of these features. We took socion, a group of 16 personality types, divided it in half, according to the table and examined every indication that there are different tasks, watched how they act, how they behave, how they communicate, for me it was very clear, but this experiment was conducted a very long time ago, since that time such experiments are no longer carried out can be very difficult to meet all the 16 types of personality. To conduct a distortion-free experiment, you need to collect all the 16 personality types together.

Interviewer:

And what about those experiment in the hospital, do you consider it important?

GR:

Yes, but again, it was observation, not an experiment, I would not call it rigorous experiments. Preliminary observations, which allow you to put the problem, objectives, formulate a hypothesis.

Interviewer:

Ok, let’s come back to the visual identification. What should one look for when doing a visual identification? Is it tricky? Could they be improper/false? If so, how can we make sure that the identification is correct?

GR:

It depends on the expert. There are experts who are looking at the little details. There are experts who assess the energy and personality as a whole. For example, I can look at a person, and determine exactly what he is INTJ. At the same time, I can not readily explain how I understood it, I define the overall state overall sound, it’s sounds like INTJ. Then you can test it, you can ask him questions, in accordance with a kind of model, allocate more accurately. But, what to look for? Well, pay attention to the whole person. Aušra has taught me this way: “Today we will go to the family of ESTP with ENTP, and here it is – ISFP, and the other one is definitely ESFP. She was just a finger pointing at the type, and we have studied you look, you see 3 minutes of communication will let you know, who the person is. Now of course they do not teach this way. Not there is much more theory than practice.

Interviewer:

And for ordinary people who are not using Socionics professionally, is it possible to learn how to apply it in practice, learn how to recognize personality types?

GR:

I think that first most important thing is understanding that people are different, a person can be totally different with totally different views and opinions. The second point, do not try to convert people, do not be offended that he is not thinking like you. The very understanding of it is very useful because it allows you to take the edge off of relations. You can teach how to identify if a person is capable of that, we must look on what style of learning is the best: algorithms, theory, practice. Tatiana Prokofiev teaches the identification of personality types. She has an algorithm training scheme, it gives the results. There are experts who is able to just see the type, usually a woman is a good visualization, excellent optic canal, there are such people. There are people who know some ways to learn to identify and determine, there is no single answer. It is difficult to teach, it is also very time-consuming, but there are very capable people who are able to quickly learn. It takes practice and time, three or four months it is necessary to do it.

Interviewer:

I also would like to ask some questions regarding dual and conflict relations. Can a conflicting relationship be considered as toxic? What makes them toxic?

GR:

What do you mean by toxic?

Interviewer:

I mean Harmful, toxic, destructive.

GR

I’ll tell you first about the duality. You may be surprised, but the duals can also be very destructive and toxic to each other, because people can be the same Socionic type, but the social values and moral qualities are totally different, which will cause serious conflict. This people can be opposite. Duals have such a function, they have the opportunity to approach closest to each other emotionally, that is, they can hurt psychologically. That means, if the conflict between the duals, it is much more painful than the conflict inside the conflict relations. I got into such a situation, watched from the side, it happens. Although not as common. In principle, if a long time together, if they have the same value, if they are on the same road – it is good a great relationship. Their bio fields collapse, when two people are no longer needed but each other.

Interviewer:

And what about conflict relationships?

GR:

I described a lot about conflict relations in his book. All relationships, in particular conflict considered from the viewpoint of Conflict, which means, in terms of conflicts and conflicts cause. Conflict relations has the majority of such conflict points. Virtually all functions have conflicts and misunderstandings, someone who is afraid of someone; someone enables someone; someone scares and ignores, it happens all the time, the situation is very complicated.

Heavier – it is only a controlling relationship. Controller with controlled, there is destructive psychologically difficult relationship, people are just beginning to behave inappropriately. That’s the story. However, dual relations, too, are conflicts, there is no perfect relationship, when everything is good for life. No psychologist can not guarantee you that if you do it ensures that he is a fool.

Interviewer:

But still there is the types that are better suited to each other, and there are those who are less match together right?

GR:

Of course, there are quadras. Those who are in your quadra, those are better match for you, those who are outside your quadra – those less suitable, another language and understand each other, that’s worse. Judged by its ideas, there is an illusion of communication, it seems that they understand each other, when in fact they have a total misunderstanding.

Interviewer:

I have couple of questions about the connection of Socionics, dual and conflicting relationships with health. Have there been any studies on the impact of the dual and conflicting relationships to health, physical and mental?

GR:

Here the mass of observations that conflict relations in the family’s bad and unhealthy According psychosomatic mechanism, by other parameters.

Interviewer:

how was that investigated?

GR:

I do not know. I can answer that I do not know sometimes, too, because I do not know of such research, maybe Tatiana did that on her courses, maybe in Kiev, you’d better ask Sasha Bukalov, he is the director of Institute of Socionics in Kiev. Karpenko and Bukalov are the experts in the field of health, they have a lot of information, moreover they regularly publish a scientific magazine. Talk to them, they will tell you, I can give the contact details, you may contact them.

Interviewer:

That would be great, I have a lot of questions on health. How do the dual or conflicting relationships on health indicators such as cortisol level rise, sweating, heart pressure?

GR:

To tell the truth, I do not know, I did not measure these parameters, as I have not studied this exact matter. Only at the level of visual perception of conflict, of course it is obvious, suffering person looks worse and feels worse. It can be measured by the astronauts, but this data is secret and never shown to anyone. It is unlikely that we get any information from them.

Interviewer:

As for the business and teamwork. What kind of relationship are best suited to work in the work community?

GR:

I studied just such an interesting thing, creation of a task group. As for the teams, a group task represents exactly my theory of small groups. In order to solve some specific problems the best solution is to create a certain group of different types to solve business situation. If you already have a team, you need to analyze the points of conflict and potential conflict, then create a matrix of intertype relation in the team. It is necessary to determine the type of all people in the community and create a table of intertype relationship on which to act, it will be a very practical thing. It works quite accurately, and to diagnose current problems. Once again I should say, the effects appear only at a close interaction and sometimes it is sufficient to increase the distance in order to neutralize the conflict. Surely there are plenty of other studies, but I specifically on this issue has not worked.

Interviewer:

In case when there is already the form business team with the existing atmosphere and problems, moreover the mismatch of the types is evident, what could be done in that case?

Which relationships work best on a small work team? How to build the healthy relationship atmosphere in a team? What do you usually recommend?

GR:

If this type of tank, for example, or the plane and there are bad relationships, the pilot can simply be replaced. If there is a redundancy of various types of professionals, it can be replaced, if this is not, then with them separately to work with a team that is. If they are unique specialists that which can not be replaced by anyone, this also happens, then you have to work with them, you can pay attention to issues that we can talk that can not be the same situation in family life. Because when the family is formed and people are already married, you should be able to adapt. It is important to be able to adapt to the fact that there is. This is the purpose Socionics.

Interviewer:

And if that happens so before the creation of the family, two people came to diagnose and they understand that the types are not the best compatibility issues? What could be done it that case?

On an environment with a bad social environment, or else bad Socionics matches, what can be done? How it is possible to improve the harmful situation and unhealthy relationship?

GR

Well this difficult situation of course when it comes to love, usually people don’t really care about the types, problems arise later. There are moments that are not aware. I have not heard that someone found a family according to Socionic type, Socionics usually comes after. It can only be crazy socionists, who marry according to the Socionic types. This greatly restricts and narrows the outlook.

Interviewer:

I heard the opinion that any type can find a common language important to know the correct distance.

GR

Of course, if you can find a common language, I say again that the type is only one dimension of the person, there are lots of other measurements such as the nature of the social world of the psychological values of factors that affect the personality and does not relate to the type.

Interviewer:

But type does not change with the passage of time, right?

GR:

I think so, I think that does not change, personally I’ve never seen that.

You can change it as a mental exercise, but for the lifetime the type can not be changed. When I worked with the actors in the theatre, for an actor it is very important to be able to change the images, to be able to try on different types. But for a long time to try a different type and change behaviour is very difficult for ordinary people. To live so unnaturally energy-intensive. It’s very simple and at the same time extremely important to behave naturally.

Interviewer:

I have some questions regarding Socionics and other fields of knowledge. What can be said of Socionics throught the concept of Evoluitonary Biology? Could the types be dependant on the evolution and time?

GR:

We can’t say that there is an exact relationship, I have heard such opinions, but never observed in practice. I think It is not in nature, there is no in genetics. There is social heredity as evolutionary or genetic hardly so I do not see the connection.

Interviewer:

Is there a conection between Socionics and Game Theory that you see yourself?

GR:

It could be said that this theory could be applied to socionics, but I don’t see the direct connection. This Theory is separated but definitely could be applied. Not yet, I guess.

Interviewer:

And how it could be applied in your opinion?

GR:

Maybe the expert can use it in the experiments, as the idea of 16 types of people is very broad and deep itself and if it is examined through the prism of Game Theory the results might be interesting.

Interviewer:

How about Gestalt Psychology, do you see a relation between both?

GR:

I guess it also could be applied, from the beginning there is no connection, but as an additional tool that could be useful, because Socionics studies psychological types and interpersonal relations and problems they may cause, and Gestalt Psychology studies the ways to solve those problems. But for now I’ve never heard of such works.

Interviewer:

And one more question, do you consider astrology to be influential in a person personality?

GR:

Well, from the point of philosophy, there is individual and common features by category, for example, we are all Homo sapience, the common feature, and typology, like psychological types, and astrology describes individual features of the specific individual. Plenty of analytical works was done on this topic, but personally I have never interested in astrology, just a little bit. Although, it is surprising how accurate and truthful the individual description could be in the astrology. And Socionics describes the types, that’s the different story.

Interviewer:

Maybe you could advise me any of your works regarding the types and interpersonal relation, health investigations?

GR:

Let me think and I will send you some of my works. I have some analytical papers, I will send you with pleasure.

Interview with Kirill Kravchenko

Head of Online School of Socionics
Socionics specialist
Diagnostician
Coach

Fields of specialization: Training courses, seminars, webinars, consultation, team building, experimentation.

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This interview intended to investigate causalities on health due to relationship interaction under the perspective of Socionics.

(interview conducted by Anna Roman)

Interviewer:

Thank you very much for the interview. I would like to ask you some questions. First of all, could you please tell us about your story with Socionics, how did the you start working with this science, how has this interest to Socionics appear and what is your current mission?

KK:

I became acquainted with Socionics by accident. It was a holiday, Day of Airborne forces (Russian Airborne Troops Day), I was with my friends in the hydro park wearing sailors striped vests, music was loud, there was a girl with us. This girl told us about some kind of nicknames (denominations). From the very beginning I found it strange. But then I started to understand the essence, and came to the conclusion, that there is a certain gap in my education. I started to apply those descriptions to my friends and realized that certain coincidence in characteristics is taking place. After approximately a week my interest to Socionics raised and I have started to learn this science immediately. I attended the international Socionics Conference in Kiev, not even knowing that Kiev was the motherland of Socionics.

Interviewer:

Me neither, I didn’t know that

KK:

Yes, and then I came to the courses of Victor Gulenko (*One of the major theorists in the field of Socionics. He carried out the study of administrative and educational institutions, commercial enterprises.

He studied the problem of “masks” types, subtypes, small groups, the use of personality typology in the management and education.

His method of Socionic study calls “Socioanalysis”: it is a combination of one or another polar features for modeling the behavior of the system under study in a particular communicative level. His school in Socionics calls “humanitarian Socionics”.)

I can say that I came exactly to the right place. Before that I didn’t study socionics seriously, well, just a week doesn’t make sense. I read all the books I could find, related to Socionics, and was confused with the contradictions in the theories. I was close to even tear to shreds one of those books. After that, hard to say for how long exactly, maybe for 1 or 2 years I was studying and collecting the knowledge, when the idea to create something own, by myself, came to my mind. By that time, I accumulated rich bundle of knowledge together with well-structured information and decided to create training sessions, fully practical, to show how the socionic attributes work in real life and how they can be practically used. Moreover, internet is full of different information that can be collisional and contradictory, so I decided to show in practice, how the socionical functions and attributes work in the special “game” way, so the theories were given as conclusions. Then I started to conduct courses, personal diagnostics, individual consultations, of course. Now I also conduct team-building trainings, as well as lectures, I teach 2 groups currently: beginners and seniors, coming to Kiev on Saturdays. And individual advisory board together with diagnostics I provide each alternate day. That helps me not to loose my professional skills and diagnostic test instrument knowledge. Each week I provide at least couple of diagnostics by Skype or face-to-face, which helps me to sharpen and improve my skills.

Interviewer:

Only personal diagnostics, right?

KK:

Yes yes, but also I conduct the demonstrative diagnostics during the training session as well, while teaching people how to diagnose. I should say that I am 100% practice oriented, I am not that interested in the theory. Understanding, that the amount of theory nowadays is tragically excessive, while teaching I provide practical knowledge from the very beginning: how to use socionics in life, including the diagnostic skill – the most important in Socionics. 99% of socionists are not skilled enough in diagnostics.

Interviewer:

You mean, most of the socionists are theorists, right?

KK:

Yes, it is a deplorable fact. I was disappointed to see how Viktor Gulenko, one of the most significant figures in Socionics, has no practical experts among his students. And I decided to take this duty.

Interviewer:

  I see. Why Socionics promotes better social interaction, in your opinion?

And if it really does, in which way? How it improves the interpersonal relationships, how it affects business atmosphere? Any kind of social interaction.

KK:

Well, let me give the brief description of what I think Socionics is. As could be seen in the name of this science “Socionics”, it is about different social types of people and interpersonal relations between them. The main purpose of Socionics is the improvement of these relations.

What Socionics gives a person in the very beginning of his learning? It gives meaningful usefulness in understanding the peoples’ differences. Realizing that is a half-way to forgiveness, in case any conflicts are already taking place. It’s important to understand that this conflicts mostly don’t have any serious social reasons.

Sometimes we argue. But why do we argue? Because of the differences in temperaments, values. Person himself could be good and nice, but still something goes wrong. That’s exactly what Socionics can explain, teaching tolerance to other people.

Interviewer:

Better understanding, right?

KK:

Yes, that’s what Socionics gives from the very beginning as the basics. And further while getting to know Socionics better, it gives perspicacity. Deep knowledge can help to perceive the types. Accordingly, in any social cases Socionics helps to understand the main causes and matters, analyzing the situation. The thing is, Socionics which I am professionalizing in, doesn’t consider the psychological type as the whole personality. We fully understand that there is an innate type, which doesn’t cover all our psychological singularities. Moreover, there is personal character, which develops independent from the innate type. Also there are so-called “Accentuates” – the emphasized aspects of personality. And those accentuates could be usually the situational causes of any argues. Those accentuates usually bring the most negative effect to peoples’ relations. I am not denying the fact that socionic types can be dissociable, but when a person has any character trait that is intensified, which means a lot of psychological resources are forwarded to this character trait, from time to time it goes off impulsively. Sometimes it is hidden, sometimes explodes, usually such the activity of this trait is very unstable. In case of such psychological “explosion”, person can become excessively aggressive, unnecessarily pedantic; mood swings can also take place, mood can change every minute in case of intuitive-possibility accentuate.

Those 8 main accentuates can even lead to health pathologies.

Interviewer:

That’s exactly what my second question is about. Could bad relationship or bad social environment be harmful to one’s health?

KK:

I’m jumping ahead of myself. I just want to add that in case this negative accentuates arise, Socionics gives the answer about how to build the relationships. The easiest way to neutralize the negative accentuate is using the Dual (complementary) function to this certain accentuate.

Interviewer:

That means you agree that those accentuates have negative effect to one’s health? Mental or physical.

KK:

Absolutely. Of course is leads to health problems, because our psychology and physiology are united. Particularly in the West (*that means Europe, USA, Canada) hormone system and nervous system are never separated and they are considered to be united as well. Consequently, any hormone disruption will affect physiology immediately.

Interviewer:

Socionics is able to solve those problems, right?

KK:

Of course, socionics helps to solve psychological issues, it is definitely not a medical tool.

Interviewer:

Where to begin studying socionics to understand how affecting a bad attitude on health. It is important to understand something about yourself or about other people?

KK:

I think here we need to move both sides. Each person pay attention to oneself first, the person is selfish by nature, nothing can be done with that fact. This is good because he would not have survived if he had not thought of himself first. Of course, all the people begin to study themselves first, they begin to explore their weaknesses, being an extrovert or introvert. When actually accumulated a lot of knowledge and the answers, people start to think about applying of this knowledge in practice. Socionics suggests options for interaction in different situations. Accentuate functions affected in acute conflicts. Socionics may assist in the strategic interaction between people, when we can not replace the person himself, because he is a relative or he is your boss. Socionics gives us some recommendations that operate at the level of types and their characters, not only accentuation. To make better use of the correctness of all the layers of the psyche, combining the type of personality, character accentuation. When we work on all three levels, we define the problem much better than if we worked only with types. By studying the problem in detail, we can give a more accurate recommendation.

Interviewer:

Is that initially necessary to study 16 types, to understand what type a person refers to?

KK:

Yes, you need to learn how to diagnose because the main tool in Socionics is a diagnosis. If a person is not able to diagnose, then socionics becomes a worthless science, it turns into a philosophy.

Interviewer:

I have a question about the experiments. Have there been any experiments that revealed the particular types and their interpersonal relationships? Were such experiments that examined the interaction of these types?

KK:

We practice constantly experiments during the seminars, courses, but these are small experiments that can not be considered to be serious scientific ones. We examine, we gain experience and knowledge, and then once a year we conduct a broad experiment, observing all the rules. We organize the so-called “double blindness” so then people invited to the experiment do not know what is the essence of the experiment, in which they will be involved, even leading the experiment does not know the essence of the experiment. Observers also not aware of the goal of the experiment, they do not understand the essence, too.

Interviewer:

Were there any specific experiments? Was it made in hospitals? What was observed? Have you seen the data? Maybe any vital signs were tested.

 

KK:

I understand what you mean. But as long as the instrument method we are just starting. Let me tell you about an experiment that we carried out 6 years ago. There is a sign of Socionics called central – peripheral. Central types are those people who were born in the “centre”, they have high ambitions in life, they have a value of an aggressive nature, they can sacrifice themselves and others for their own purposes. Half of all socion has a different nature, the peripheral type. They have a strong ideology; these people are often scientific or religious workers, if they occur complexity it is easier to get away from work. Central types not particularly cherish their health. It was perfectly evident in the experiment. The first task it was necessary to move between the trees at the bottom could not get through. We had to jump. The central team types no one thought for a long time, the guy in the white pants and a white T-shirt leaned over and climbed through the mud. Besides, people do not know why they were selected to this team. In the second group which worked out all the little shoes carefully removed gently help each other crossed. It was in such a caring style.

Interviewer:

So there were two different types of central and peripheral right?

KK:

Yes, and after that we prepared more significant tasks. They had to dig a hole and bury the bottle. Representatives of the central type a hatchet and peripheral took a shovel. Representatives of the central type were digging faster and more active; they didn’t even worry about the possibility to cut fingers. They were not afraid to dig the ground.

Interviewer:

A peripheral types of groups they dug a pit ahead, they found the roots to explore the area, and found this place worse than they bad mood and he did not want to do anything. There was a very strong final moment then had to pick opponents cheese. in fact, there was a warning that no fight should not be. Nevertheless, the confrontation was strong.

Interviewer:

You mean that the central type is those who are born in geographically central regions and peripheral types, respectively, in the peripheral regions, right? Is this a sign of the place of birth Dependent?

KK:

No, what determines the type no one knows. Genetic type does not convey the central value is stress, they are ready to sacrifice themselves and others for their own purposes. It is not dependent on the regions in which they were born and the birth place of those who belong to the type of peripheral They often tend to the centre.

Interviewer:

This experiment has shown fundamental differences on the basis of it?

KK:

Yes, for the credibility we spent not 1, but 2 days of the experiment. On the second day all the differences hatched even more a consequence of stress. On the second day the team of peripherals announced that they do not want to continue, they are not interested to participate longer in the experiment and that they have no mood to win, but because they were asked to participate, they are ready to continue. A central team for the first day was just a warm-up for the second day motivation and excitement have only increased.

Interviewer:

Is that experiment the only one carried out since that time?

KK:

Every year we carry out such experiments, always with social interaction. The experiments we conducted in the most stressful conditions; people have forgotten that it was an experiment. In 2014, we conducted an experiment to identify the instigators, that is an inborn quality of provocateurs. These are people with an innate quality to provoke any action and conflict. They are often endowed with talent, but they have a very poor organization. It’s hard for them to organize themselves. The experiment has shown that the ability to organize is very low, but by themselves they are mavericks and provocateurs. People with opposite qualities, they never discussed anything and immediately proceeded to action, the tension was very high. Very high self-organization helping people with the opposite type of effect. A more coordinated team “not provocateurs” acted more quickly, more active, better. Moreover, the accuracy of the experiment, we always do a control group. At the end was a child task, it was necessary to solve the puzzle baby wolf sheep cabbage and so command the provocateurs were not able to solve this problem and 2 team coped very quickly and easily. In the course of the conflict broke out the experiment, people no longer even talk to each other. They have taken seriously and have even forgot that it was just an experiment.

Interviewer:

So you mean the provocateurs are the representatives of the conflict type, is it right?

KK:

They tend to conflicts more, that’s right.

Interviewer:

Ok, and how is it better to contact with them?

KK:

One should understand that some people tend to provoke conflicts. And as I already said before, it is important to use the additional function. Let me give an example. There is a function of the force sensing, usually illustrated as temper, aggressiveness. But such people usually calm down quickly. If there is a provocation for this function, it is necessary to apply the position of the added function. In this case it would be the position of the victim (the intuition of time), against the provocation is the best strategy. Any aggressor will be powerless.

Interviewer:

So that means, you need to take the position of the victim?

KK:

Yes, absolutely, aggressor looses any interest to continue. And if the opposite person is very emotional in a good and bad sense, these emotions can also be destructive for others. In this case, you need to show the complementary function of impartial behavior. Just very strictly it explains everything you need. No emotions does not exhibit this type. The person who will be in bright emotions calm down and go to the balance and impartiality of the wave.

Interviewer:

Could you please explain more about the complementary function?

KK:

There are 16 types and consequently there are 16 different kinds of interpersonal relations between them. In fact, we can not say that there is any bad relationship, there is a wrong-chosen distance. Any relationship can carry the positive aspects, it is only important to choose the right distance and the right time for these relationships. There are relationships that are good for close range (sexual relations), but they are disruptive for business. A lot of nuances are taking place here; I use them in teambuilding. Best relations are those that are complementary – dual relationship.

Interviewer:

In what way has been revealed that any specific types form dual relationship?

KK:

In a practical way. This empiricist on observations. We observed relations; socionics differs from other sciences in that it is the science of relationships. Even it is not clear which is more important – the type or relationship. For some people, relations may be more important than the type. Anyway, we take into account all the advantages and drawbacks of the relationship.

Interviewer:

Is it possible to build a favourable and healthy relationships that are inherently in conflict? That means, is it possible to obtain a positive outcome. Or so it will be a conflict all the time? Or is it more important to be able to adapt?

KK:

In Conflict relations it is more difficult to communicate. Socionics is often seen as a table of types, “who fits me / who fits me not”. I find it wrong, not the right way to treat people, you need to be friends with those who want to be friends, as well as you should love those whom you want to love; and if dialogue fails then socionics will help. That my vision of socionics. Socionics is the science for life, not life is for socionics. Therefore, it is possible to solve any problems in the relationship of conflict, it is possible to live a normal life being married with your conflict type , I know the certain examples, but there are certain rules you need to know. You have to understand that people have completely different values. If both people are aware of socionics, they should be tolerant to each other. Then there are methods that can smooth out the approaching conflict. Most often, the conflict in a relationship is formed, where the distance is too close. We begin to impose their values, not to understand the partners to whom they are alien. Such moments can not be allowed, there are key points that you should always remember. We call them ‘markers’. Actually, getting away from the conflict is very simple, you just need to change the distance, move away. By the way, it is important to be able to negotiate. For example, in this room we live by my rules, we live by your rules. You will see the element of interest.

Interviewer:

So for any of the 16 types this method would work, right?

KK:

Yes, this method is suitable for any type. There are types more accommodating, as well as less accommodating, but the method will suit anyone. Of course, conflict is not the best way to form a relationship, but if it happened, then it’s no problem, no need to get divorced. Socionics does not recommend such extreme methods.

Interviewer:

What do you think of INTJ and ESFP, do these types form conflict relations?

KK:

Absolutely. Any relations for these types is very rare thing. That’s strange to see such people in any relationship, as the type ESFP is very sensitive to people, and as I have noticed during our experiments in schools, they usually find suitable people for the relationship themselves. The majority of the marriages of ESFP is with a dual. Sometimes they can even choose the best dual among several of them. So I consider such relationship between INTJ and ESFP to be extremely rare.

Interviewer:

Since Reinin’s, were there any more research done? As far as I know Reinin’s experiments were very significant.

KK:

Let me tell a little bit about Reinin. How Reinin’s features appeared? What are they? Reinin is a mathematician, who became interested in psychology. He studied the works of Jung, Jung wrote about such a special number 4. Rainin counted some mathematical formulas and concluded that number 4 has a causal relationship with the number 15. Accordingly, he came to the thought that if 4 and 15 are related, that means somewhere there must be another 11 features. That means, Jung gave four features, Reinin had to find 11 more. He went to Aušra, founder of Socionics, and he told her his idea. She immediately endowed 11 features with special properties. Together  they conducted 2 experiments to detect Reinin features. There have been some results, then they decided to repeat the experiment, and finally it had shown absolutely different results … So we can say that no serious experiments were conducted by Rainin, it was more like an observation. Experiments were conducted incorrectly, showing quite different results.

 

Interviewer:

I have also questions here regarding the visual identification. What should one look for when doing a visual identification? Is it tricky? Are there any special features inherent to any specific types? When you see the person for the first time, is it possible to identify?

KK:

I should say that Socionics is based on 2 things: temperament and information base. Temperament can not be determined by appearance, because temperament is learned in the dynamics of behaviour. During my practice I saw identical twin’s diagnostic. Well, they’re completely identical, but always have different temperaments, absolutely each time. Therefore, people are very similar to each other have very different temperaments totally different type.

Interviewer:

Is type an innate quality?

KK:

Of course. Temperament is also innate quality. Psychologists is in sympathy with socionics in this matter. I must say that there is a tendency to define certain qualities in appearance. Temperament we can not determine, but we can look at behavior and we can understand the installation. Here is an example: Managers. These people are specific, down to earth, they see the object, but not what stands behind. They cope well with the organizational moments, chatting on duty phrases. The eyes are very concentrated. Short legs, long well-coordinated body. These are attributes of Managers.

You can define a Humanitarian. Humanitarians looks completely different. Humanitarian installation is close to the female in some points, it is more “feminine”. Male Managers are different from men-Humanitarians. They are less coordinated, eyes staring into the distance, they do not see that in front of his nose, but clearly sees the far horizon. A good facial expression. Sincere smile, even the eyes are smiling. They feel people very well.

Social type is like the Managers type in some points, powerful figures, but unlike the managers they have movable facial expressions, well versed in people, charming, able to position himself with smile. It is always evident that they are interested in dialogue. Such people are excellent sellers. (Examples from Russian show business)

There are also Scientists. These researchers look into the distance, with a facial expression worse than the Managers have, can not show emotions in a timely manner, can smile then when it is inappropriate. They have a very high abstract intelligence and social respectively their duals –Socials, because they know how to reach out to anyone. Therefore, they can be recognized by non-congruate facial expressions and scattered look. They usually have a big head, thin neck, sometimes elongated facial features, unlike Managers who usually have flat faces. But to determine the type by photo is incorrect, because the temperament can not be traced visually, without watching for a long time after the person.

Interviewer:

And where do INTJ and ESFP belong to?

KK:

INTJ is a Scientist and ESFP belongs to Social type.

Interviewer:

So only after watching and analysing the behaviour one can determine the persons’ type?

KK:

The best solution is diagnostics, which is always available. It is the fastest and most accurate way to determine the type clearly. Not only type, but also sub-type, accentuates, etc. Apart from diagnostics, behavior is the most important way to observe and analyze.

It’s the most significant think to pay attention to. Appearance is important as well, and behavior to understand persons’ temperament. However, the accuracy of the diagnostics depends on the competency of the expert, also it depends on the ambiance, for better results the situation should be stressful to find out the real type and to see the real emotions. Relaxed situation will not show anything specific, we are all the same when relaxed. That’s why we usually conduct rigorous experiments.

Interviewer:

I see. Ok, and when we already know the type, what can we do to avoid conflict relations? What happens physiologically and psychologically in a conflict relationship? I mean, does cortisol levels or sweat raises, can it be measured? How conflict relations affect persons’ health, does he become nervous, annoyed?

KK:

The problem lies in the lack of understanding that goes into a permanent regime. The man begins to doubt, it becomes irritable. If you do not take any steps to solve the problem, it can bring to a nervous breakdown, psychosis, psychological diseases. In conflict relationship is the load on the features that initially weak. These functions begin to deteriorate, increase. Man takes on the power with which he can not cope. Example: there is a water pump that pumps the water for big powerful hoses. Water flowing, everything is fine. And there is a small hose, and it served the same pressure capacity. It turns out that it takes uncharacteristic pressure and breaks, as well as function.

There are 8 pathologies that result from such a situation. Intuition of opportunities, for example. When this function increases, it leads to mood swings and bipolar disorder. Mad rise in energy leads to the breakdown – manic-depressive psychosis. These people then rise manic mood is depressed. Another example, the business logic. Business logic is associated with persistent behavior. First person becomes demanding, annoying, bringing the case to the end. Then the person begins to think that all the enemies are around him, then he faces paranoia. There is structural logic: reason, pedantry. A person can become nervous, it tends to over-control, striking example – perfectionists. There is still a force sensing – aggression, outbursts of anger on the grounds alleged attempt on his status. For short periods of time a person has a lot of emission of such aggression, which can lead to epilepsy.

Interviewer:

Impact on health is obvious. I would like to clarify that there is an exacerbation of these functions are shown in the case where the type of conflict is an irritant? These functions are obtained excessive that leads to health problems.

KK:

Yes, definitely. This is the worst outcome, but also the state border injurious to health.

Interviewer:

Which relationships are considered to be the best in a small work team? How to build the healthy relationship atmosphere in a team? What do you usually recommend?

KK:

First you need to determine what kind of types are there in a team. It is also important to understand the purpose of the project. It may be that someone wants to build a financial pyramid, and some organized crime groups, there are different goals. You have to understand which types are suitable for which purpose.

Interviewer:

Who is best to work with for INTJ? And who will be tensions and conflicts?

KK:

For INTJ very good partners are usually ENFJ, semi-dual relationship. But working relationships are more complicated than they seem. There is such relationship kind that was initially considered to be much worse than conflict – audit relationship. But for such kind of a relationship, business or small working team, audit relations will be normal. For INTJ the auditor will be ESTP because INTJ has a weak sensory power, and is the basis for ESTP force sensorics. INTJ will be good to learn from him. By itself, this type of ESTP is a good leader, especially the crisis manager. Hard tidying.

Interviewer:

What about your vision of whether it is useful for INTJ to be a leader?

KK:

I’ll say this, here we look at the character. There are 4 types of character: harmonizing (in India, will not interfere), normalizing (the majority, the average workers live by the rules), creative (people who go against the rules, they are visited by the original ideas, talented, but they are difficult in the team, they individualists), and rare type – dominant (they have a very strong dominant power, they are interested in what is beneficial. they are great motivators, always bring it to the end). If INTJ is the dominant subtype, it will be a good leader.

Interviewer:

On an environment with a bad social environment, or else bad Socionics matches, what can be done? How it is possible to improve the harmful situation and unhealthy relationship? What if there is already a difficult team, which can not be changed?

KK:

I must say that here it is important to examine and understand existing types. For example, there is a type ISFP, he can lap to any team. A ESTP, on the contrary, is always very straight, they think – they say. They do not think about the consequences. Of course, if you understand the purpose of the collective and explore the types, then it is easy to find solutions. Perhaps you need to take such a niche, which is empty in the team, any empty role, as a result you will see the collective harmonization.

Interviewer:

And what do you usually recommend while working with business teams? Do you usually work individually or collectively, creating any collective tests?

KK:

Depends on the needs of the customer. The best way is to conduct the individual diagnostics. And then I give the recommendations directly to the director. Sometimes people could be simply replaced, sometimes they need to be separated.

Interviewer:

Could it be the situation when a creative worker occupies the wrong place, for example, doing analytical job?

KK:

Yes, of course. Moreover, sometimes general director is searching for the deputy for himself, the most common mistake here, they search for the same type of person, exactly the same. But mostly it is incorrect decision. Those people are more likely to argue rather than work efficiently. Even if the person is a great professional, they can be simply conflicting all the time.

If we want to find a person who keeps things in order and who is accommodating, the best type is normalizing. In case we need anyone result-oriented – then creative would be suitable. If there is a project that need communicative people. For example, for the trade. In that case Social type is the best. Mediator will smooth all the conflicts. If you want to specifically agree on the major issues and deliveries, then the policy is needed.

Interviewer:

Back to dual relationship, does dual relationship show positive health and psychological effects then?

KK:

Absolutely. People are harmonized, the mood is good, become calmer. This is all thanks to the dual relationship. What is the dual relationship? They initially were greatly exaggerated, that is, if a person is not dualized, he can not live a normal life. The dual relationship – this is when a person does not adapt to his partner. If there is a gating, then small. At straight and hard people have their own duality. It has more flexible duality manifests itself immediately.

Interviewer:

And in terms of physical health? Whether studies have been done on that matter?

KK:

As for health, peripheral types can show more. There is a duality type of inspector-instructor (ISTJ and ENFJ), their duality can not be called harmony of their relationship from the look like a continuous conflict. They have permanent emotions, the constant drama. They seem to argue, but this lifetime charged. They absolutely do not care about their health, but such an emotional charge promotes life.

For example, if the wife – the ethical-intuitive extrovert, she satisfied her husband scandals, tantrums, but oddly enough, he suffers. It saves energy in itself, then goes to work, requires a higher pay demands increase positions, that is, in this way moves. And for another type of such a model would be devastating.

In the peripheral type of duality can lead to strong harmonization and obsession with each other. In this case, they do not want to build a career. A central more ambitious and are designed to promote career goals. Socionics is the same psychology, but it is a universal philosophy, a tool that can be applied universally.

Nowadays, too many theorists who does not reinforce their knowledge.

Interviewer:

Were there situations when a person came and complained of persistent headaches, health problems? And then it turned out that his toxic relationship problem caused stress?

KK:

I must say that I am not a doctor. But with such complaints people came to me, then I saw the improvement afterwards. I sometimes work in tandem with the doctor, she does her diagnosis, so do I, then together we find a solution to the problems. It is a family physician. We even tried to determine the type of hardware by the use of the apparatus Voll.

(Electroacupuncture according to Voll or EAV is a device used in alternative medicine. While some may use the device to diagnose ailments, for which there is no credible evidence of diagnostic capability, there are many that use the device for that of which is was designed, the measurement of energy on acupuncture end points. The measurement of energy on acupunture end points was Dr. Voll’s initial interest in EAV. Only several devices are registered in FDA as a galvanic skin response measuring device; they still can’t be used in diagnosis and treatment. The American Cancer Society has concluded that the evidence does not support the use of EAV “as a method that can diagnose, cure, or otherwise help people with cancer” or “as a reliable aid in diagnosis or treatment of .. other illness”

Units reportedly sell for around $15,000 and are promoted for diagnosis of conditions including “parasites, food and environmental sensitivities, candida, nutritional deficiencies and much more.” It is promoted for diagnosis of allergies but “results are not reproducible when subject to rigorous testing and do not correlate with clinical evidence of allergy”.

In tests, double-blind trials, “A wide variability of the measurements was found in most patients irrespective of their allergy status and of the substance tested. Allergic patients showed more negative skin electrical response at the second trial, compared to normal controls, independent of the tested substance. No significant difference in skin electrical response between allergens and negative controls could be detected.)

It was developed during the time of Nazi Germany. Further the development of the machine was stopped, but then resumed again. This tool can determine the appearance of painful lesions. The doctor tried to determine the type, based on the idea that each authority is responsible for a specific psychological function. She diagnosed separately in the same room, I was alone in the other room. Of the 17 respondents have coincided 15. She tried to determine what features are most active in the public areas of the body, on this basis to draw conclusions about socionic type. Separately, it is diagnosed extroversion and introversion.

Interviewer:

How can you determine the hardware method?

KK:

If I’m not mistaken, she pored over her throat. When a person is shy, squeezed his throat, so evident introversion.

17 participants it is not enough, of course, we had planned to hold a large-scale experiment that reached at least 100 participants.

Interviewer:

And you are trying to post their research?

KK:

At conferences, unfortunately, do not publish these reports. We publish in journals.

Interviewer:

Do you carry out diagnostics on Skype?

KK:

Oh sure. Basically skype nowadays.

Interviewer:

How far socionics developed at the moment, in your opinion? In Russia it is not as developed as it should be.

KK:

In Ukraine, too, only in the big cities. In Kiev, in Odessa. The Conference is nowadays not such a large scale as they were before. The problem hides in those theorists who spoiled socionics, they are trying to assert themselves, not test their hypothesis. They refer to the fact that socionics is a young science, but in fact it is not. People are really engaged with earlier practice; nobody is interested in groundless philosophy.

By the way, I remembered that I wanted to say about the health effects associated with the sport. Man may not choose a sport. First, it creates the risk that it will invest a lot of effort, do not achieve the desired result, and accordingly, if the forces are not directed to the right place, there will be negative consequences. How does this happen? The man has white muscles, which are responsible for endurance, and red muscles that are responsible for the effect. There are people sprinters, absolutely hardy, there is a marathon, on the contrary is very hardy. We have previously studied the matter in detail, we found that there is such thing: rationality and irrationality. Rational – a clear, accurate, consistent, totally flexible. A irrationals – impulsive, sharp, quickly mobilized. Thus, irrational longer fast-twitch muscles, while the contrary is rational over slow twitch muscles, they are more hardy. While as irrationals have more speed and power. Given subtypes, and if they match the types – effect would be great. Boxer will not do load endurance. Those people who work on the stamina, they do not fit the character of the power load, such loads will lead to injuries, and the energy is destructive, the body will be exhausted. An interesting feature in this case is the effect of subtype is even stronger than the effect of type. Personally, I am a rational type and irrational subtype, nevertheless in sport the basis of a subtype.

The correct choice of sport is highly dependent on the health, definitely.

Interviewer:

Thank you very much for this interesting conversation, I was incredibly pleased to talk to you.

KK:

Thank you!